A very huge problem!!

keyblade_master · Post by **keyblade_master** » Thu May 25, 2006 10:51 pm

I have an extra huge problem which is that I havent played Lunar eternal blue till now so please if you have a website that I can download it and play it in the computer please tell me!!!!!

Post by **Alunissage** » Thu May 25, 2006 11:19 pm

Your problem is even huger than that if you don't realize that asking for roms is a no-no here. Buy the actual game disc yourself, then you can use an emulator to play it. But don't expect people here to help you steal.

Post by **Erroneous** » Fri May 26, 2006 2:45 am

Sure, you can find it at ebgames.com

Happy playingz!

NallOne · Post by **NallOne** » Fri May 26, 2006 4:45 am

Insydius wrote:Sure, you can find it at ebgames.com Happy playingz!

*goes over to ebgames.com to download it*

...

What is this "back ordered" nonsense? I CALL SHENANIGANS!

KingOfFlyingCats · Post by **KingOfFlyingCats** » Fri May 26, 2006 9:29 pm

It's entirely possible that he's not asking for a ROM. There are a lot of games that you can get as freeware now because they're so old, or are out of print. Usually if there are no copies of a game in circulation you can download it as Freeware (Popful Mail is an example of this).

I'm sure you all already knew about freeware and I came off looking like a jackass, but I didn't figure any of you had considered the possibility that someone wouldn't know it was not public domain.

Now, can you really buy the original Lunar EB at ebgames.com?

Post by **Alunissage** » Fri May 26, 2006 10:16 pm

I really freaking doubt either Popful Mail or EB is freeware. Sounds like pure rationalization to me. And there most certainly are legit copies of both in circulation; check eBay.

Post by **Kizyr** » Fri May 26, 2006 10:35 pm

KingOfFlyingCats wrote:It's entirely possible that he's not asking for a ROM. There are a lot of games that you can get as freeware now because they're so old, or are out of print. Usually if there are no copies of a game in circulation you can download it as Freeware (Popful Mail is an example of this).

He has a lousy history here. He is asking for a ROM.

And the Freeware rationalization is BS. KF

phyco126 · Post by **phyco126** » Sat May 27, 2006 1:54 am

Errr, did my post get deleted? :shock:

Anyways, due to the way copyright works, nothing is technically freeware until like, 30 years later, and only if the company doesn't renew the copyright. Or, unless the company downright states the game will now be freeware (aka GTA). Either way, from my understanding, we're a looooooong ways away from game's popping off the copyright thingy.

And shoot, I may not even have the full story, this is what I know just from what I've read >_>

Werefrog · Post by **Werefrog** » Sat May 27, 2006 3:37 am

My personal opinion on this matter has been recently shaped by discovering adventure games. There are so many games that I want to play, but I don't want to go to the trouble of searching these games down. Also, it bothers me that the money I'll be paying won't go to the creators of the game. I wouldn't mind paying this money if I knew that my money was rewarding the people who created the game rather than some eBayer who's jacking a 15 year old DOS game to the price of 90 dollars.

I'm avoiding the temptation to DL these games in the hopes that there'll be a compilation of some classic Lucas Arts games soon (at least there will be a re-release of some classic Sierra games

).

Still, I feel that it would be beneficial to the Lunar series if it were released as freeware since that may generate a renewed interest in the series and draw in new fans. These new fans might lead to the creation of a new Lunar game. As long as it is hard and expensive to find games, whether they be classic RPGs or adventure games, it will be harder to attract gamers to the sequels.

Remember, these are just my beliefs. I don't act on these beliefs because it is illegal, and you know what prisoners do to people who download adventure games.

Post by **Kizyr** » Sat May 27, 2006 4:14 am

I actually don't care about the legality of it, or if folks do or don't want to download old games. The only deal is that we don't allow help with pirating games on LunarNET's forums, so no ISOs or anything.

There are maybe two slight exceptions. The Lunar: WS game (Game Gear only), I do have the ROM for that on the walkthrough, and we do have the video for the Lunar: MS anime clip. Those are both insanely rare and hard to track down by any other method. All the other games, however, are still regularly obtainable. KF

phyco126 · Post by **phyco126** » Sat May 27, 2006 6:12 am

My thoughts is why not go the way of what Nintendo did (it was them, right?) and make older, hard to get games downloadable for a small fee. I think that's the best idea to help prevent piracy. The problem is making an official emulator competitive with freeware emulators, and provide the games as a low price. Keep the old game at $10 or more, and you'll like see piracy as high as it is now. Make it at around $3 or less, you'll most likely see more people buy the Download. Also, they shouldn't make the games have strict software protection on it (You know, software that makes the game playable on that computer only, yadda yadda.)

I believe a fair way of doing it is making the emulator a purchase, and then coding the games to play on that particular emulator. And if you purchased the emulator, you can download the game and emulator as much as you want if you get a new computer and stuff. Then have some way to keep the buyer from DLing the emu and games for a friend, if need be. Not like it's not new, people burn copies of CD's they buy for friends, and people used to use two VCRs to make copies of movies for back ups.

Werefrog · Post by **Werefrog** » Sat May 27, 2006 3:41 pm

phyco126 wrote:My thoughts is why not go the way of what Nintendo did (it was them, right?) and make older, hard to get games downloadable for a small fee.

Yeah, that's my thought exactly. I would definitely pay for older games then because I DO want to reward the creators of the game. And on the part about Nintendo, no one knows exactly how Nintendo's virtual console will work. Hopefully, they will allow us to download them forever. I don't want to pay monthly like at Gametap.

KingOfFlyingCats · Post by **KingOfFlyingCats** » Sat May 27, 2006 4:13 pm

Maybe I was wrong about Popful Mail being freeware (I'm not infallible by any means), but I'm pretty sure Ihave seen it for download while being advertised as such. A lot of supposed "ROM sites" refuse to allow any download of anything that isn't public domain, or so they say.

Legal downloads from the creator for a fee would be a great idea, because I firmly believe that many people are like myself and would much rather reward the creators of the game than "steal." The problem is, many gaming companies make this a gamers only option after X amount of time.

I say we get an RPG trading community going, this will solve all problems. I haven't played SCD Lunar EB, maybe you haven't played VAY or some other game. We can all be one big communal gaming family. YAY! *hugs everyone*

YoshiMars · Post by **YoshiMars** » Sun May 28, 2006 1:50 pm

Werefrog wrote:I'm avoiding the temptation to DL these games in the hopes that there'll be a compilation of some classic Lucas Arts games soon (at least there will be a re-release of some classic Sierra games ).

To begin with, I would LOVE to see a re-release of some of the old Sierra games. Now that would bring back memories...
Nextly, I too would agree about being able to download old games like Nintendo shall be (or is already? I am uncertain if its current). Personally I do not download games, I have not played the original LSS or EB. Mostly becuase even if I could track them down I have no console to play them on. That and I am also content with owning SSSC and playing through that. I understand that many people download games and if giving a low priced emulator with low priced games is a means to fix piracy with console games and generate interest in old titles, then I am all for it.
Perhaps we'll see more companies jump on board this pay-for-download thing once the Revolution (I am calling it that forever... yes I know the actual name.) has been released (since I am still assuming that Nintendo has not gone the way of the download yet as I've heard about that for the Revolution but not recently for the computer and such.).

Post by **Kizyr** » Sun May 28, 2006 6:21 pm

I have not played the original LSS or EB. Mostly becuase even if I could track them down I have no console to play them on. That and I am also content with owning SSSC and playing through that.

Well, I've been using the Gens emulator (Gens Plus, really) from http://www.zophar.net to play Lunar TSS and Lunar EB. So there's still ways to play the Sega CD versions. Once you get it, you'd need to find the BIOS files for Sega CD (US or Japan) to play. Otherwise, I haven't run into any problems with the US games. KF

EDIT: You can also run a search for "Sega CDX" on eBay.com. I'm seeing some of them going for under $30. KF

Scorpioeyez · Post by **Scorpioeyez** » Mon May 29, 2006 1:20 am

Kizyr wrote:
And the Freeware rationalization is BS. KF

Not that I'm defending anyone here but while rare, it does happen on occasion. A good example would be Gainax releasing the rights to Princess Maker 2 so that people could play it freeware.

YoshiMars · Post by **YoshiMars** » Mon May 29, 2006 1:17 pm

Thanks Kizyr, I'll have to look into that. =)

keyblade_master · Post by **keyblade_master** » Tue May 30, 2006 12:02 am

why are you all so mad?

anyway are you sure that I can buy it ?but isnt lunar eb is kinda an old game?

LuNaRtIc · Post by **LuNaRtIc** » Tue May 30, 2006 4:00 am

We're mad because you're asking us to help you STEAL. Downloading a game ROM is the same as stealing the game. May I remind you that LunarNET hosts the official Lunar Legend site, as well as the offical Lunar Dragon Song site. We want to SUPPORT Lunar, not harm it by stealing. So please, buy the games.

And yes, you can buy the game. It may be hard to find, but that didn't stop me. Look on Ebay, a copy is bound to show up sooner or later. I'm guessing that you want a copy of Eternal Blue, which is harder to find. But if you're looking for Eternal Blue Complete, there's always copies around Ebay, or you can order EBC off of GameStop.

Please don't ask us to help you download Lunar games in the future.

Werefrog · Post by **Werefrog** » Tue May 30, 2006 4:41 am

LuNaRtIc wrote:We want to SUPPORT Lunar, not harm it by stealing. So please, buy the games.

I agree that he should purchase his own copy unless it's become rarer than I think it is. But I don't see how buying EB now supports Lunar. I see it only supporting Gamestop and Ebgames and eBay. Each of these venues has a tendency to gouge/rip people off when selling their used games (eBay, the least of all). I don't think any of these places need much support (eBay, being the one that deserves the most).

Seriously, if you can't find your own ROMs, you shouldn't be dabbling in piracy. It's kinda like black magic. It may sound like it would make life easier, but it can blow up in your face.

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