Favorite Character Of SSSC or EBC

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Favorite Character of SSSC or EBC

Alex
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23%
Luna
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15%
Hiro
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8%
Lucia
6
15%
Other
15
38%
 
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Favorite Character Of SSSC or EBC

Postby kyle1992 » Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:22 pm

Pretty simple poll. The one I would choose would be Kyle.

Note: changed max to one instead of three
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Re: Favorite Character Of SSSC or EBC

Postby Benevolent_Ghaleon » Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:34 pm

I only voted for Luna. I'm such a rebel. :lol:

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Re: Favorite Character Of SSSC or EBC

Postby lutomboy » Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:38 pm

I always like Jessica and Mia but Alex was the best main character
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Re: Favorite Character Of SSSC or EBC

Postby kyle1992 » Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:38 pm

lutomboy wrote:I always like Jessica and Mia but Alex was the best main character


I think Mia was better than Jessica but for some strange reason I think Luna was the better main character
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Re: Favorite Character Of SSSC or EBC

Postby lutomboy » Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:57 pm

Luna was to emotional Alex was a more balanced out
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Re: Favorite Character Of SSSC or EBC

Postby kyle1992 » Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:00 pm

lutomboy wrote: Alex was a more balanced out


explain please
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Re: Favorite Character Of SSSC or EBC

Postby lutomboy » Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:23 pm

I meant Alex never let his emotions take control of him he was always in control where you have Luna on a rampage of destruction. I think if she wonted to she could have beaten Ghaleon if she could have controlled her emotions and used her goddess power he would have been killed before Alex got there
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Re: Favorite Character Of SSSC or EBC

Postby kyle1992 » Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:28 pm

but she never knew she had goddess powers until Ghaleon captured her. And she couldn't use them on Ghaleon because he was "controlling her".
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Re: Favorite Character Of SSSC or EBC

Postby lutomboy » Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:46 pm

I don’t care how much power Ghaleon had when she found out she hade the goddess power she could have broken the bound but she didn’t
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Re: Favorite Character Of SSSC or EBC

Postby Benevolent_Ghaleon » Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:18 pm

kyle1992 wrote:
lutomboy wrote: Alex was a more balanced out


explain please


Look at how many lines he had in the whole game. He's far from the best character. He's just an awesome guy to play as because since he wasn't given the depth Hiro has, it can feel more like it's you when you play it.

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Re: Favorite Character Of SSSC or EBC

Postby kyle1992 » Sat Feb 23, 2008 12:23 am

lutomboy wrote:I don’t care how much power Ghaleon had when she found out she hade the goddess power she could have broken the bound but she didn’t


because she was to emotional to even try so thats when Ghaleon found the chance to control her?(i think that might sound right)
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Re: Favorite Character Of SSSC or EBC

Postby lutomboy » Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:00 am

it sounds right to me :P
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Re: Favorite Character Of SSSC or EBC

Postby Alunissage » Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:25 am

You're making totally unreasonable assumptions that a) Luna was vulnerable because she was emotional and b) she could have broken free if she just really wanted to (which is to say, if she were more emotional -- you can't have it both ways). In other words, you are blaming the victim, saying that clearly she just didn't try hard enough to resist. It sounds to me like you are working off of some skewed premise that OF COURSE she's "too" emotional (and, by implication, weak), which I would guess is based on the sexist assumption that women are more emotional than men (and that emotion is weakness).

The whole point of Luna being destructive -- although I don't know that she ever does anything destructive herself other than raising the Goddess Tower / Fortress of Althena -- is that she is being used by Ghaleon. She's not a person, with free will; she's a thing, a weapon. And while it's memories of her emotional bond with Alex that awaken her from this controlled state, the key word is memories, not emotion. She didn't remember her life as Althena when she was Luna, and she didn't remember her life as Luna when she was Althena... thus there was no reason for her to change from one to the other even if she were able to at her own will. It isn't until after Ghaleon is dead that Alex is able to remind her of being Luna. (For all we know, her foster parents Noah and Thalia could have done the job too, once Ghaleon's influence was gone.)

Actually, that's an interesting question: whether Ghaleon actually could have controlled Althena against her conscious will. When she was under his control, she had no memory of being Luna (or, probably, of being the benevolent goddess of Lunar) and thus had no reason to act against him; her personality and wishes were molded by him. The personality she shows at the top of the Grindery (in SSSC) is basically that of Royce or Xenobia. Could be an interesting little fic idea, I suppose, imprinting the blank slate of bespelled Althena with the vicious personality of the Vile sisters.

I wish I could remember more of Dragon Song's dialogue about Althena being controlled; it'd be relevant here. Though come to think of it I STILL haven't played any of the important parts in English, so it's not a matter of memory. :P I suspect that the premise of DS would contradict the idea that she could resist attempts to control her if she is fully aware of herself as a goddess, but of course Ignatius's situation was considerably different from Ghaleon's and that would probably account for her near-helplessness in that situation.

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Re: Favorite Character Of SSSC or EBC

Postby kyle1992 » Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:53 am

Alunissage wrote:You're making totally unreasonable assumptions that a) Luna was vulnerable because she was emotional and b) she could have broken free if she just really wanted to (which is to say, if she were more emotional -- you can't have it both ways). In other words, you are blaming the victim, saying that clearly she just didn't try hard enough to resist. It sounds to me like you are working off of some skewed premise that OF COURSE she's "too" emotional (and, by implication, weak), which I would guess is based on the sexist assumption that women are more emotional than men (and that emotion is weakness).

The whole point of Luna being destructive -- although I don't know that she ever does anything destructive herself other than raising the Goddess Tower / Fortress of Althena -- is that she is being used by Ghaleon. She's not a person, with free will; she's a thing, a weapon. And while it's memories of her emotional bond with Alex that awaken her from this controlled state, the key word is memories, not emotion. She didn't remember her life as Althena when she was Luna, and she didn't remember her life as Luna when she was Althena... thus there was no reason for her to change from one to the other even if she were able to at her own will. It isn't until after Ghaleon is dead that Alex is able to remind her of being Luna. (For all we know, her foster parents Noah and Thalia could have done the job too, once Ghaleon's influence was gone.)

Actually, that's an interesting question: whether Ghaleon actually could have controlled Althena against her conscious will. When she was under his control, she had no memory of being Luna (or, probably, of being the benevolent goddess of Lunar) and thus had no reason to act against him; her personality and wishes were molded by him. The personality she shows at the top of the Grindery (in SSSC) is basically that of Royce or Xenobia. Could be an interesting little fic idea, I suppose, imprinting the blank slate of bespelled Althena with the vicious personality of the Vile sisters.

I wish I could remember more of Dragon Song's dialogue about Althena being controlled; it'd be relevant here. Though come to think of it I STILL haven't played any of the important parts in English, so it's not a matter of memory. :P I suspect that the premise of DS would contradict the idea that she could resist attempts to control her if she is fully aware of herself as a goddess, but of course Ignatius's situation was considerably different from Ghaleon's and that would probably account for her near-helplessness in that situation.



that seems pretty logical. I have nothing else to say.
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Re: Favorite Character Of SSSC or EBC

Postby Angelalex242 » Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:58 am

I voted. If anyone has to ask who for, I beat you with a stick.
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Re: Favorite Character Of SSSC or EBC

Postby ilovemyguitar » Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:16 am

Of these four Lucia is my favorite (she has the most interesting character arc of those listed), but I voted for "other" as my actual favorite is Leo. I think he's the character in the series whose personality is most clearly and realistically defined, and I've got a soft spot for characters that are genuinely good people struggling to do the right thing. There were more than a few moments in the game where I just wanted to give him a big ol' hug,
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Re: Favorite Character Of SSSC or EBC

Postby lutomboy » Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:24 pm

That and when he casts a spell he uses the dumbest saying, but they always made me laugh
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Re: Favorite Character Of SSSC or EBC

Postby Alunissage » Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:11 am

ilovemyguitar wrote:I voted for "other" as my actual favorite is Leo. I think he's the character in the series whose personality is most clearly and realistically defined, and I've got a soft spot for characters that are genuinely good people struggling to do the right thing. There were more than a few moments in the game where I just wanted to give him a big ol' hug,

Ditto, except for the part about voting, since I haven't. I didn't like Leo at all when I first encountered him in EB, but I really warmed up to him. He really goes through a lot, trying so hard to do the right thing and be the best representative of Althena he can, only to find that it's all a sham and he has to pick up the pieces and figure himself out again. The repressed clownery coming out when he dons the mask is really the icing on the cake, making him not just respectable but lovable.

You should totally read Darrell's (DezoPenguin's) short fics about Leo posted up at the Shrine. At least, I assume they're posted there. I should go find out; it's been some years now since I read them.

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Re: Favorite Character Of SSSC or EBC

Postby kyle1992 » Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:18 am

lutomboy wrote:That and when he casts a spell he uses the dumbest saying, but they always made me laugh


and you can change the sayings around (like in the little manual handbook that adds humor)
for example:
remember my name mystere!*slips on his cape* :lol:
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Re: Favorite Character Of SSSC or EBC

Postby ilovemyguitar » Tue Feb 26, 2008 12:51 am

Alunissage wrote:Ditto, except for the part about voting, since I haven't. I didn't like Leo at all when I first encountered him in EB, but I really warmed up to him. He really goes through a lot, trying so hard to do the right thing and be the best representative of Althena he can, only to find that it's all a sham and he has to pick up the pieces and figure himself out again. The repressed clownery coming out when he dons the mask is really the icing on the cake, making him not just respectable but lovable.


The clownery as Mystere is great and fun (and not to mention a breath of fresh air when the game was veering into fairly dark territory), but if you psychoanalyze it you get a genuinely heartbreaking snapshot of Leo's mental state at the time. He was attempting to disguise himself, and the persona that he felt would be the most removed from his actual identity was that of a brave and selfless hero fighting for truth and justice. To want to create such an overtly heroic persona to act as an idealized version of himself, and to believe that flaunting these qualities would make him unrecognizable to his own best friend, underscores just how scared he was and how far removed from these principles he felt he had become.
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