Any girls that have dated...i need to talk to someone

[Sonic#]

Heh!

So you've just accused some of us (Kizyr, meg, phyco, Imperial Knight, Werefrog, Jenner, me, and anyone else that silently agreed with any of their points) of approving of Alunissage's "side" of the argument because we're more willing to listen to her. It isn't because we've held these opinions long before coming across this post. It's not because we're capable of reading both sides and making a fair assessment..

We saw a few things wrong with sephnx's argument and went against them. We've done the same with Alunissage. I've done it to phyco. All of this has happened in this very topic.

I don't care who wins the argument. I care that what is said is right, and that if I disagree with anything, I have some sort of reason for it, so that if it turns out I'm wrong, I can learn from it.

Also, keep in mind that we read sephnx's post before reading any response to it. I don't see where your bias would come in.

[phyco126]

Your friendships with your fellow members are definitely SOME of the reasoning you're being backed up by so many others while serphnx sits there like a man in the coliseum surrounded by lions.

MMMMmmm, no. Friendship has nothing to do with it. I would be the first to argue with anyone here on the boards about my view of things (and I have before) and they would argue or agree back. Just because some of us are friends here, doesn't mean we got each other's back and have teamed up against someone. I post based on my views and opinions, if it happens to be the same as half the board who happens to argue against one person, so be it.

[Benevolent_Ghaleon]

Heh!

So you've just accused some of us (Kizyr, meg, phyco, Imperial Knight, Werefrog, Jenner, me, and anyone else that silently agreed with any of their points) of approving of Alunissage's "side" of the argument because we're more willing to listen to her. It isn't because we've held these opinions long before coming across this post. It's not because we're capable of reading both sides and making a fair assessment..

We saw a few things wrong with sephnx's argument and went against them. We've done the same with Alunissage. I've done it to phyco. All of this has happened in this very topic.

I don't care who wins the argument. I care that what is said is right, and that if I disagree with anything, I have some sort of reason for it, so that if it turns out I'm wrong, I can learn from it.

Also, keep in mind that we read sephnx's post before reading any response to it. I don't see where your bias would come in.

I only said that it does factor in on SOME level, regardless of if anyone notices it or not. I know what you thought i meant and i can see you disliking that, but please don't jump to conclusions.

[Alunissage]

Um, no... you said that "[t]he result of almost ANY argument with [sic] depend on which person has the most friends." In other words, that factor "on SOME level" is greater than all other reasons one might agree with a stated point of view, such as previously-held convictions or simply validity of the argument as stated. And then you're telling Sonic not to jump to conclusions that you're saying that.

My completely unprofessional, uninformed, social-dynamic analysis is that you share some of serphnx's views and are bothered that so many people disagree with them, so you're looking for reasons why people would do so that aren't because they find them wrong. =) (That's the non-egocentric version.) Feel free to disagree and say what you think on the topic and we can have a discussion and all.

[Benevolent_Ghaleon]

In the hopes of clarification to my intentions, I've been to several forums and the majority of the arguments ended with the person with the most popularity winning. Several times this was for popularity reasons and a lot of other times it was that the people in the arguments weren't exactly "evenly matched" so to speak.

Now for the part about my opinions. I do think that the thing about asian women and their mastery of make-up in comparison to american women is certainly truthful, now that i think about it.

The thing about going to bed with a 10 and waking with a 2 got a laugh out of me for several reasons. one is it coming across like he cares entirely too much about sex. Another is how so many people will actually let that comment affect them. Some men objectify women. So? Ignore them. They don't deserve your attention.

People seem to behave as if they'll actually BECOME objects by being viewed as objects by some men. Why can't people stand firmly in their views without at least SOME third party agreeing?

[Kizyr]

B_G, you're confusing "responding" to a comment with "letting it affect you". If I want to respond, and negatively, then I will.

And, yes, you did mean to imply that the result of this discussion will depend on popularity, not on the merits of each argument presented. If you didn't, you wouldn't've posted it. Backing up and trying to qualify your statements now (when the original statement is very blatant and unambiguous) is rather ridiculous; you may as well go back and edit your original post.

Oh, and by the way, I know your opinions are your opinions. So don't bother repeating that in some condescending manner as usual. KF

[Jenner]

How to Undo Looking Like a Jerk.

Step 1. (Cut a hole in a box)
Find the edit button at the bottom of your post



Step 2. (put your junk in that box.
Alter the pre-existing text.



Step Three. (make her open the box)
Submit and check to make sure the alteration was successful.



And that's the way you do it...

[serphnx]

. Still, taking a girl to bed based on looks and then being horrified when they still don't look the same, if that is what you where saying, is pretty horrific for a man to do to any woman, regardless of age, race, or religion.

I think it's quite a bit more horrific to trick someone into bedding you. Perfume, makeup, clothing are all attempts at hiding your true self, and fooling some poor sucker into believing the lie. I find a woman that doesn't use makeup and has a good personality but maybe not have the best looks to be much more attractive than a fake woman with makeup bumping her up to "model" status.

This board seems kinda dead, considering how far apart the responses are and how little discussion occurs. At least this thread had some amusement and potential.

[serphnx]

In the hopes of clarification to my intentions, I've been to several forums and the majority of the arguments ended with the person with the most popularity winning. Several times this was for popularity reasons and a lot of other times it was that the people in the arguments weren't exactly "evenly matched" so to speak.

Now for the part about my opinions. I do think that the thing about asian women and their mastery of make-up in comparison to american women is certainly truthful, now that i think about it.

The thing about going to bed with a 10 and waking with a 2 got a laugh out of me for several reasons. one is it coming across like he cares entirely too much about sex. Another is how so many people will actually let that comment affect them. Some men objectify women. So? Ignore them. They don't deserve your attention.

People seem to behave as if they'll actually BECOME objects by being viewed as objects by some men. Why can't people stand firmly in their views without at least SOME third party agreeing?

My post in question was a response to some very weak arguments and logical fallacies that I highlighted, and then proceeded to use myself (while admitting to using them, in other words, to drive home the point). The fact that she wasn't attacked for them in the first place, I suppose does put merit into your theory. But your theory is more or less a catch-22, the more correct it is, the more unlikely anyone will be to admit to it, as on the internet the "winner" is always declared by majority.

Women that objectify themselves are going to be objectified. It's a simple matter of cause and effect/consequences. Dress like a hooker and you will be treated like a hooker, despite however you attempt to justify it.

In the end though, this is just the internet, and anybody that comes on here to discuss "social and societal implications" of anything is fairly retarded. The OP is whiny and emo, we have women here who are in denial of sexuality, and a bunch of politically correct liberals that associate any objective observation as tacit racism. Stop getting your panties in a bunch.

[Benevolent_Ghaleon]

while i can agree with a lot of what you've said, this is a VERY tired subject. can we drop it or have this locked?

[Sonic#]

Women that objectify themselves are going to be objectified. It's a simple matter of cause and effect/consequences. Dress like a hooker and you will be treated like a hooker, despite however you attempt to justify it.

So it's their fault if they're taken advantage of? Odious. It is always the enactor's fault, for assuming that an appearance allows for objectification in the first place. We never punish victims of behavior.

I can't say whether a woman is objectifying herself or not, but I can still treat her like a person. Also, at what point does a person objectify her/himself? Do I objectify myself because I decide to wear khakis, shirt, and tie on a date? Presentation can be only a part of the picture.

In the end though, this is just the internet, and anybody that comes on here to discuss "social and societal implications" of anything is fairly retarded. The OP is whiny and emo, we have women here who are in denial of sexuality, and a bunch of politically correct liberals that associate any objective observation as tacit racism. Stop getting your panties in a bunch.

Wow. What a way to offend a whole bunch of people at once. How about those people that claim what they say is simply an objective observation?

Concepts of beauty are subjective. How can there be any objectivity based on that? Consensus, perhaps (but not here). But not universal truth.

[phyco126]

I really don't know what to say about your comments serphnx. It's far more horrific to go to bed with someone based on looks. If you didn't, then there wouldn't be a need for a girl to put on makeup to make themselves model-like. A girl who puts layers of makeup on is just trying to impress someone, likely because men treat them like crap when they don't. If a girl rejected you for your looks and you got desperate enough, I'm sure there is a chance you would make yourself look as hansom as possible, no matter the cost. Look at plastic surgery.

And you say to discuss this stuff on the internet makes the us retarded. I hate to tell you this, well not really, I love to tell you this, but the internet is not just for porn, games, free music and movies. It's also for discussions, research, sharing of ideas and beliefs. I'm pretty damned sure the creators of the Internet didn't say "OMGZ lets create the internet for porn lolz and if anyone has any meaningful discussion about anything they r teh lozerz omfg mom make me a sandwhich!!!"

Also, leave the OP alone, because your the one starting to sound whiny and emo. "OMG she's ugly but she was pretty when I had meaningless sex with her!!! /wrists"

Though you do have one thing right, women that dress like hookers will be treated like hookers. However, it certainly doesn't make it right, does it?

Hey, I'm a nice guy, until you try to insult my intelligence and start throwing out insults to people that had nothing to do with you.

[Kizyr]

This board seems kinda dead, considering how far apart the responses are and how little discussion occurs. At least this thread had some amusement and potential.

Hey, here's an idea. How about you not bother coming back? Particularly if all you're going to do is revive old topics to toss some more insults around.

And you say to discuss this stuff on the internet makes the us retarded. I hate to tell you this, well not really, I love to tell you this, but the internet is not just for porn, games, free music and movies. It's also for discussions, research, sharing of ideas and beliefs.

It's also for discussions, research, sharing of ideas and beliefs... and porn. KF

[serphnx]

I haven't been here for months because I've been busy, living, you know, life. I had some free time to myself today between porn binges and thought I'd check by, this thread was on the first page of 100 threads so I replied. A first page thread is not a bump even if it's 100 threads. Blame someone else for keeping it on the first page, or blame yourselves for not being like GameFAQs and filling it up with enough meaningless discussion or spambot members to have a semi-active board.

It's doubtful I'll ever need to worry about looks. Where women need to lie about their looks, and wear tasteless clothing, I simply hit the gym 3 times a week to overcompensate for my shortcomings, and make money at minimum wage. Women look for money, men look for youth/fertility. This is simple nature. In terms of women, an ugly and old woman is worthless. In terms of men, I'm worthless. Most of you are just angry because you fall into the latter category for your respective sex. Schmucks.

Translation:
Whee lookit me! I have a bigger [censored] than all you [censored]s and I don't need to overcompensate for it by bragging about my physical features on a message board! Never mind the fact that I am.

[phyco126]

Most of you are just angry because you fall into the latter category for your respective sex. Schmucks.

And you're a moron. Schmuck.

Most people here actually fall outside of that category. You are trying to accuse us of being angry because us men are poor and the girls here are ugly and old. What we are angry at are your completely idiotic insults. You say people like us who argue over these things are retards, but hey, you've been in the same arguement here, so I guess that also makes you pretty retarded, huh?

[Kizyr]

You know, I was thinking I was gonna have some great, witty reply.

On second thought, I'm just gonna have some fun with it. KF

[Sonic#]

Women look for money, men look for youth/fertility. This is simple nature. In terms of women, an ugly and old woman is worthless. In terms of men, I'm worthless. Most of you are just angry because you fall into the latter category for your respective sex. Schmucks.

Wow. I've never heard nature called by this before. Probably because what you have just expressed is not natural at all, though such an understanding of it might be simple.

I look for whoever I want, thank you. It can't be distilled down to that. Same for most women.

When you set up categories like that, I don't care which one I fall into, because both are relatively irrelevant. I don't see gaining a partner as giving me all of my worth. My girlfriend makes me feel good, yes. But not having her wouldn't make me worthless. What about good acts? What about good thoughts that precede them?

Also, nice way of denying women their sight. They can find people attractive too, beyond money. Maybe they're not be interested in you because of your controlling tendencies. Your personal insecurity. Your porn binges. "You wear make-up - you lie?" Not very understanding.

[JWL]

What fun! I think I'll throw in my two silver just for the heck of it:

-If a woman wants to wear makeup, that's her business. If I wear nice clothes and comb my hair, that's my business. We would do well not to try to read too much into someone just trying to make themselves look as good as possible. What's wrong with that? Though the male brain is often so conceited as to think thoughts to the effect of, "Look, that woman over there who I've never seen before is wearing makeup! It must be because she wants me."

-If women only want money, then every single book/play/movie written about the choice between "love and money" makes no sense. Plus it means that Bill Gates is the hottest babe magnet on the planet. And if that's true, I can't complain, since sometimes myopic people say I sort of resemble him.

-Any man who sleeps with a woman without knowing her long enough to know what she looks like without makeup should perhaps consider getting neutered.

[Benevolent_Ghaleon]

Like moths to the flame, huh, serphnx?

Seriously, this is weak. Ask yourself this question. "what are my intentions with this post? Each of you should have to stand in the corner for a couple of hours.

EDIT: i can't help this. i'm weak, too. afterwards, i'm liable to stand in the corner.

-If a woman wants to wear makeup, that's her business. -Any man who sleeps with a woman without knowing her long enough to know what she looks like without makeup should perhaps consider getting neutered.

what does the first half of this have to really do with it. of course thats her business. if a woman wants to fellate a dog that's ALSO her business...doesn't mean it holds any bearing on THIS stuff really.

also, stop being so ridiculous with the second half. i hold christian beliefs on sex but i can also have a mind broad enough to realize that sex isn't special to everyone. Some people just have fun with it. grow up and let people do what they want behind closed doors without your worrying about it. That's about as bad as the girls who yell "SLUT!!" at girls down the road. Why would anyone care about someone having sex? if you aren't a part of it then so what?

[Werefrog]

Nice edit, Kizyr. I wish I could do that people's posts . Can I be mod for a day to know what the power is like?