Lucia's "Intention" (spoilers?)

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Lucia's "Intention" (spoilers?)

Post by Kazie Solo »

Whee, I'm finally at the epilogue. :D And again, I spotted something I didn't notice when I played EBC a couple of times back, and I was wondering what you guys think of this. Specifically, on Lucia's "intention".

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She's not intending to surrender her immortality someday too, is she?
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Post by Alunissage »

Nah, I think that's just saying that she was going to give living as a human a try for a time... lying through her teeth since she was surely already planning on returning to her crystal. Or maybe she meant after her scheduled awakening, at which all bets are off.

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Post by Rimmie »

Hmm... She's probably saying she'll live among humans instead of reigning over them, whether she's immortal or not (but that's a whole nother thread...) I don't know if she's lying about leaving at this point or not, but either way.
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Post by Angelalex242 »

I tend to be in the 'she was lying' camp...

As I for some reason prefer the more tragic idea that Lucia will outlive Hiro...and at long last learn the pain of loss as the Blue Star revives.
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Post by Blue_Sycro »

You know, I kind of always did wonder about the demises of Hiro and Lucia...when EB ends, she's still immortal, yet Hiro isn't. In TSS/SSSC Luna/Althena definitely gave up the whole "being a goddess" thing, so there's some closure there, but you're left to wonder about poor Lucia.

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Lol Hiro goes into the Crystal forever becoming immortal, because well she probably has the magic to do this, no I am not being serious, just throwing things in the air.
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I think the pain of loss is one of the many reasons Althena became mortal. She says so herself. Sure, she could've shared love with Alex as a goddess...but to love him completely while remaining immortal...Alex would grow older, and older...and die. All her friends would grow older, and older...and die. You see how much Nall suffers from going through that, and he wasn't even in love with any of those who died. How much worse would it be for Althena (Luna), who was indeed in love?

Exactly the sort of pain and loss Luna was trying to avoid is exactly what'd hit Lucia like a ton of bricks once she comes to realize Hiro won't live forever as she will.
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Post by Benevolent_Ghaleon »

Posting in a depressing thread. :P

But seriously, i don't think Lucia would lose her mortality intentionally. I figure her sense of responsibility would make her put up with it because of the Blue Star's importance and her assistance in keeping things moving toward the right direction.

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Post by Alunissage »

Blue_Sycro wrote:In TSS/SSSC Luna/Althena definitely gave up the whole "being a goddess" thing, so there's some closure there
Sorry to nitpick, but it's only SSSC that spells that out. TSS ends with Luna's rescue, and the stills shown in the credits don't give any information about what she does later (and do show Alex as dragonmaster, so there's no suggestion that Lunar's "system" is really changing). That's why her recording in EB was a surprise, and even in that it's clear that she retained her goddesshood long enough to make it, since she's shown as Althena in it.

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Alunissage wrote:Sorry to nitpick, but it's only SSSC that spells that out. TSS ends with Luna's rescue, and the stills shown in the credits don't give any information about what she does later (and do show Alex as dragonmaster, so there's no suggestion that Lunar's "system" is really changing). That's why her recording in EB was a surprise, and even in that it's clear that she retained her goddesshood long enough to make it, since she's shown as Althena in it.
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Post by Rimmie »

Hey, wait a minute, if she's truely immortal, why'd she have to go back into the crystal thing and wait?
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Rimmie wrote:Hey, wait a minute, if she's truely immortal, why'd she have to go back into the crystal thing and wait?
Immortal means she won't die, not that she's all-powerful.

She explains that she has to wait for the Blue Star's resurrection when she leaves Hiro. That's why she goes back to the crystal and waits. KF
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Post by Blue_Sycro »

Sorry to nitpick, but it's only SSSC that spells that out.
Ah, sorry about that. I've never played TSS, but I figured something that major in SSSC would have been something transfered over...guess it's time for me to hit ebay.

And I feel like in EBC a lot of Lucia's character development somewhat contradicted itself at the end of the game.

"Oh, Hiro, people make me so happy! Let's go back to the place we first met"
"Okay, Lucia"
"Ah...so romantic...oh, and by the way, all that stuff about me loving people and the world, I was just messing' with ya. I'm going to go back to my remote, lonely ice hole. Bye now!"

Yeah, I know, her sense of duty and whatnot, but apart of me still felt that "wtf" factor.

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Exactly. It's her duty. One could say, on the other hand, that it's so surprising that Lucia changed so much while briefly in contact with people. Throughout all this, she has her mission, what she must do. That original compulsion to do her duty hasn't changed... and that's why she cries. She knows what she must do... and does it, despite her inclinations. There's nothing flippant about her leaving, no "k thx bye."

And now it's Hiro's turn to bridge the gap between her and him. A goddess, after all, can't do everything.
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Post by YoshiMars »

Thank you Sonic, I've not had it explained that way (and though this sounds very dense of me) I was left with a rather large "wtf" factor when she returned to the blue star. Explaining it that way makes much more sense to me, though I feel kinda silly for only just now getting it... ah well.
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Post by Angelalex242 »

Also, I believe the Crystal is just an energy focuser or something like that. The Crystal's probably specifically designed to use her energy to revive the Blue Star.

That's why she plans on waiting inside of it for the Blue Star to be 'done', then spending the rest of her time out of it. She doesn't need to be in the thing to keep surviving, she just needs to be in it to do her revival work.
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Angelalex242 wrote:Also, I believe the Crystal is just an energy focuser or something like that. The Crystal's probably specifically designed to use her energy to revive the Blue Star.

That's why she plans on waiting inside of it for the Blue Star to be 'done', then spending the rest of her time out of it. She doesn't need to be in the thing to keep surviving, she just needs to be in it to do her revival work.
i think its more of a rest chamber similar to the ones in si-fi movies for long space flights, because if it was used to focus her energy on the revival of the blue star she couldnt spend her time with Hiro because she would have to focus on her work.
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Post by Blue_Sycro »

Yeah, Sonic, that's a good way of putting it. Of course, I always knew that she had to some duty-bound reason for going back, but it still felt weird. I felt like there was no point in her returning...but it was still her reason for existence- her mission was to protect the Blue Star, so it does make a lot of sense to me now.

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Post by Angelalex242 »

Are we sure she is spending most of her time with Hiro?

Due to the existence of that post EBC novel where Lucia doesn't come with Hiro back to the Blue Star...she's probably resting in the crystal while he's off adventuring.

If it's a focus device for energy, she'd have to stay put to complete her work unless...

A:Power of Humanity can somehow be tapped as an alternate energy source...
or B:the rest chamber is just a way to alleviate boredom. It wouldn't be very interesting sitting around watching it snow for several thousand years. As a natural immortal goddess, it's not extending her life, per se...just helping her stay relatively sane by not making her wait out the endless millenia on a barren planet.
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Post by Rimmie »

...I think it all boils down to the anime thing with crystals being cool, so they put her in one, and sad/sappy romance that she has to go back and leave.
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