My Thought.. Warning Spoilers!

Hiro-67 · Post by **Hiro-67** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:06 pm

okay so i just beat the game, and i have to say the ending was VERY dissapointing. I really wanted to face ingnatios and does jian ever really become a dragon master? a little confusing. plus, what the hell was up with the really weak " end boss " if you will of gideon. seriosly he was a joke. he didnt kill any of my party members, and i didnt use ANY magic from any of my characters, saving them for the fight with Ignatios, and i didnt even fight him. sorry to say but this was definatly the worst lunar in my opinion.

on the plus though it was fun for the 20 hours of gameplay it took for me to complete it, but paying 40 dollars for a handheld game that didnt even compare to the other lunars is really dissapointing.

DaWrestla · Post by **DaWrestla** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:15 pm

I payed $30 for it at Best Buy.

And Jian most definately is a dragonmaster. So is Ignatius.

I think it's a strong theory (as I discussed in the thread I started) that Ignatius got the Dragonmaster armor and sword from the dragon trials. The dragons had nothing left to give Jian, so they died/vanished and left their power in 4 magic rings. (Obviously this paves the way for the SSSC dragons)

Post by **Alunissage** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:29 pm

If Jian being a dragonmaster isn't stated explicitly in the game -- which I get the impression it is not, or there wouldn't have been this much discussion -- then make sure you indicate that statements like that are in your opinion, as otherwise it's not easy to be sure what's official and what isn't.

Hiro-67 · Post by **Hiro-67** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:44 am

jian being a dragonmaster i dont think was actually said in the game, so yes this would be an opinion, but another thing was that u didnt get the armor and the sword. this i understand becuase ignatius had them. but the rings were seemed like somthing that was just thrown together so that you got somthing when you defeated the dragons. i mean come on, you couldnt even use all of them at once...

Post by **Shiva Indis** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 3:25 am

Ignatius said Jian was a Dragonmaster. At least, in the Japanese version he did. He could've been trying to mislead Jian, of course, but to what end? Ignatius hardly needs to make excuses for himself about eliminating his opposition.

It's unlikely that the dragon equipment (a la Dyne and Alex) or Althena's Sword exist in Lunar DS, because position of 'Dragonmaster' is very different in this game than it is in the games that take place later in the chronology. The main support for this is that the Japanese version uses a different word for 'Dragonmaster' than the later games.

Besides, the Dragonmaster in this game is a twiggy Lunar-1-Ghaleon-esque magic user. What use does he have for a sword and armor?

PrettyGirlJean · Post by **PrettyGirlJean** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 4:23 am

Shiva is right. In the english version when Jian says that he'll give up the Dragon Rings Ignatius then says it won't matter because he'll still be a Dragonmaster, rings or no rings. I think however (now this is just opinion and not fact) Jian isn't the Dragonmaster until Ignatius is out of the picture... I'm stating the obvious though aren't I? ^^;

Angelalex242 · Post by **Angelalex242** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 4:25 am

Woulda been funny to see Jian wearing 'Althena's Shoes' though.

Especially if the graphic was...hehe...

Jian:I'm wearing Althena's shoes!
Random Guy A:...sure ya are. Freak.

PrettyGirlJean · Post by **PrettyGirlJean** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 4:29 am

Angelalex242 wrote:Woulda been funny to see Jian wearing 'Althena's Shoes' though.

Especially if the graphic was...hehe...

Jian:I'm wearing Althena's shoes!
Random Guy A:...sure ya are. Freak.

Jian should prance around while saying that too! xD That'd be hilarious. Maybe he could wear an Althena Barrette too. xD

segaboy7 · Post by **segaboy7** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 5:05 am

I just have a question here, but what are the purpose of the bell shoes, they are a gift from Lucia but they are weaker then like 80% of the shoes. so is there another purpose for them, there isn't possibly a second ending or anything if you have them equiped is there?

PrettyGirlJean · Post by **PrettyGirlJean** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 5:30 am

segaboy7 wrote:I just have a question here, but what are the purpose of the bell shoes, they are a gift from Lucia but they are weaker then like 80% of the shoes. so is there another purpose for them, there isn't possibly a second ending or anything if you have them equiped is there?

I thought the same thing, but I don't think there's another ending unfortunately :\ If there somehow turns out to be one I'd like to know too!

I thought that Rufus might have a higher purpose as well when he went all like, "It's okay go ahead, I'll take care of Gideon, I can't die!" I was like 'Wow that's cool! I wonder if he's actually a Dragon in disguise or some really cool and powerful being!' .... but no. Of course not. X(

DevNall · Post by **DevNall** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:13 am

PrettyGirlJean wrote:I thought that Rufus might have a higher purpose as well when he went all like, "It's okay go ahead, I'll take care of Gideon, I can't die!" I was like 'Wow that's cool! I wonder if he's actually a Dragon in disguise or some really cool and powerful being!' .... but no. Of course not. X(

Hmm... that's interesting. That could've been cool.

I thought, perhaps, after hearing some discussion about Genesis/Dragon Song, he would've resurfaced later.

Hiro-67 · Post by **Hiro-67** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:29 pm

mabye rufus was the star dragon, if hypothetically he was a dragon.

PrettyGirlJean · Post by **PrettyGirlJean** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:50 pm

Hiro-67 wrote:mabye rufus was the star dragon, if hypothetically he was a dragon.

That would be awesome... or maybe he was a young Quark in disguise (again if he had been a dragon ^^). I would think he'd be a white dragon since he's got blonde hair but I guess that doesn't really make much sense or really matter since I'm sure the Dragons can look how they wish.

MiaOne · Post by **MiaOne** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 3:45 pm

Highly doubtful about Rufas being a Dragon in "disguise" but it would of been kind of cool toa dd something like that to his character.

Maybe in DS and in prior times the Dragonmaster was sort of like a right hand man/woman to Althena and then after Ignatius rose up in defiance to her, the title was changed to be a protector of Althena and nothing more. Then again I see little point in that...doesn't it say in DS (I think one of the Dragons might of said it) that Ignatius was the protector of Althena? So how is a Dragonmaster from DS times different from TSS/SSSC? Maybe for each person willing to take the trials there is a certain manifestation of the Dragon essance for each person...Armor and a sword made sense for Dyne and Alex, but it doesn't seem to make much sense for Ignatius and Jian (since neither of them seem like the type to use swords). You could get into the arguement that Hiro might of become a "Dragonmaster" as well because he recieved the Auras which gave him Black Magic, but anyone could equip those...It is possible that Althena's Sword, the armor, helmet, and shield were only used by Dyne and Alex and when Hiro found them in EB/EBC they were just forgotten relics...thought it never directly says that anything Hiro "finds" in EB/EBC is THE Dragon armor except for Althena's Sword.

Dragonmaster Lou · Post by **Dragonmaster Lou** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 3:59 pm

Remember how in TSS (and maybe SSS too, my memory fails me), it was said that Ghaleon and Dyne had a battle to determine who would become Dragonmaster. I do kind of like your opinion that the Dragon equipment always takes a form specific to the Dragonmaster. I for one can't see TSS Ghaleon in a sword and armor -- he was pretty much a pure mage (even though that did change in EB).

Post by **Alunissage** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 5:29 pm

He's drawn with a sword in some of the Vheen manga, for what it's worth. He mainly just seems versatile to me...a priest, then picking up sword when he was a wanderer, then the return to Vane after casting off priesthood and focusing again on magic.

In TSS, I agree that he's a mage, but even that isn't necessarily incompatible. Dyne was a magic-user in that game as well, but Laike is obviously not.

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